Bunting House Plan Actually Calls for 'Generic Fast Food'
A representative for Councilman Curtis Jones says that no deal with Wendy's has been made.
A representative for Councilman Curtis Jones told the Wissahickon Neighbors Civic Association on Monday that the former site of the Bunting House will not necessarily become a Wendy’s.
Josh Cohen, who works for Councilman Jones, said that the owners of the property are looking to put a fast food restaurant on the site, but that no deal has been reached with Wendy’s.
“The plan that they submitted to the planning commission was for a generic fast food restaurant,” Cohen said. “It did not say Wendy’s on it.”
Cohen also said that Wendy's has been discussed for the property, but no agreement has been made.
Cohen added that the owners of the property, Giovannone Construction, Inc., would explore all their options before building, and that they would come back to the community before any final decisions were made.
Cohen also said that due to the limitations of the property it might not be possible to put the kind of establishment there that residents would respond to more positievely like a Panera.
"Every chain has certain requirements for space and parking. Wendy's would work better on the site because it's a little bit smaller," Cohen said.
Ryan
11:16 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013
'Generic fast food' is the actual plan to replace the historic an architecturally significant home of a doctor who served the neighborhood.
It'll be interesting to see if this goes through or not. It'll set the tone for the direction of the neighborhood. Will it stay Roxborough or become another Mayfair? We shall see.
Ryan Gibbons
2:15 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Another Mayfair... spot on.
rich alba
3:44 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
totally another mayfair
Barbara H
7:58 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Panera Would be Wonderful!
just me
1:25 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
NO food establishment should be put in that spot.
Jo Ann Desper
8:13 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
"Generic fast food"!? So the Giovannones don't care how they bring down the neighborhood, just that they do? This may make the battle to preserve Roxborough tougher, but it doesn't mean they'll win. Stay the course - keep voicing your opinion.
Debbie Thomas
8:44 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
The space isn't big enough for a Panera? I beg to differ. That is a large lot with plenty of room for parking. I think the Giavannones are just sticking it to the neighborhood, as they know that Roxborough residents think fast food is the least appealing thing that can go there. What a bunch of maggots this developer is.
Zach
8:47 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
I think you're taking it too personally, as for what goes there, there isn't much around here in the way of anything other than pizza
Neil
11:22 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
What are you talking about?? We can get cheese steaks too.
bethann baeringer
8:59 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Knock down domino diner and put what's there..figure something else out for the bunting hse location
just me
1:26 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
That's a great idea. No personal homes next door.
bethann baeringer
9:00 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Wendys there... !
Nora
9:14 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
It isn't about which major chain restaurant or retail store goes in that site. Its about destroying the unique quality of the neighborhood by turning it into one giant car friendly strip mall! Take a look at Grant Road in Tucson AZ to see the future of Ridge Ave if these developers get their way. We need to do more than comment & sign petitions. We need to call Councilman Jones & show up at every RDC & CRC meeting till they realize this is not what we want!!!!
Debbie Thomas
12:06 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
I agree Nora. If the community doesn't stop this we'll see yet more older homes demolished for chain stores. I moved from the Northeast to get away from that! I think residents in Roxborough need to stop bickering with the old timers vs newcomers nonsense. In order to stop future development we need to come together and not choose separate sides.
margaret seda
12:48 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
what do you want to do protest everybody so there's just an empty lot for trash to gather? let a legitimate business in before it's too late and we end up w/ more wasted space
Ellen
1:06 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Hi Nora. I just moved to Roxborough from Tucson, Arizona, and can attest to your description of Grant Road. I settled in Roxborough for it's charm and am alarmed to see what is happening on Ridge Avenue. I don't see why it should not be similar to a quaint, eclectic, Main Street USA with local merchants supported by the local citizenry, as well as being a draw for others. If we must have an eatery there at least make it one that serves good food that is healthy. I would prefer a Trader Joes, a Produce Junction, Sprouts or something similar, as we don't seem to have any place close to obtain fresh, organic, locally grown food.
Roxborough Citizen
9:46 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
The proposed Wendy's at 5901 Ridge (Ridge & Roxborough) will be the main topic of discussion at the next Central Roxborough Civic Association meeting, Thurs. Mar. 7, 7:30 PM at Leverington Presbyterian Church, Ridge & Hermitage across from Gorgas Park.
There is considerable opposition to this project and strategies will be discussed. If there is a decision to oppose the project approximately $3000 will need to be raised in order to cover court costs.
poorrichard
11:16 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
So it will not, allegedly, be a Wendy's. As if Arby's, Taco Bell, or Burger King, would be any better. Panera's, forget such an idea, the site is being developed to have a Drive-Through, which is necessary for any generic fast food restaurant to prosper.
Moe
12:28 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
I got it! We could use another Dunkin' Donuts on the Ridge! (just kidding)
Whatever goes there I hope it is architectually compatible with the neighborhood.
Debbie Thomas
1:00 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Too bad they can't put buildings up there for Eisler's Bakery and Dairyland to occupy and go back in business.
Ryan Gibbons
2:19 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
I get it, a quick drive-through, small parking lot/small establishment place would fit better where the old bunting house stood... however, it doesn't mean that's the only thing that can go in there. One thing Ridge Ave is missing are more coffee shops/bistro's/cafe's like Cross Roads and Starbucks. I get that a Panera Bread or Corner Bakery requires parking space and ample restaurant space, but little coffee shops and cafe's sit on corners around the city without designated parking spots. Why don't we get a Kickstarter started for a small cafe to go in there? I'll put in the first $100!
Ryan Gibbons
2:26 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Last comment, I promise... the Starbucks on Ridge now probably loses A LOT of business because it has no drive-through option. I bet the local residents wouldn't mind a stand-alone Starbucks going in with a drive through. It doesn't draw the same kind of crowds a McDonald's or Burger King does. I can just see it now... the after-school kids hanging out until 6pm causing ruckus...
Carol Hatzidais
3:24 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
What is disgusting is that the Giavonnone Construction Company indicated that they would be building houses on the sight, prior to knocking down that beautiful home. So, they lied to get our support (somewhat) and now they are really sticking it to us with a fast food restaurant, regardless if it is Wendy's, Micky D's or Burger King, it brings a bad element. Just more low paying jobs that won't help the area. Furthermore, on a side note about the demolition of beautiful buildings, imagine if they knocked down the Parthenon, Tower of London, or the Coliseum to build a fast food place. Future generations will never know the history of Roxborough if you tear down all historically significant buildings. Get a clue you money grabbers.
Steven May
11:51 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
I completely agree with Carol. They originally said "housing", which was vague enough, but this bait and switch is criminal.
Ryan
5:15 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Yes Margret, keeping that lot vacant is better than just letting something in that'll be a catalyst for the destruction of Roxborough. A lot of longtime residents don't travel to the new squalor of the city like Mayfair and Tacony, just 10 yrs ago great neighborhoods.
These stand alone fast food joints started coming in. They paya lot to developers to tear down buildings that sit along the sidewalks and replace them with buildings surrounded by parking lots. At first no one cared, but then the floodgates opened when developers saw how easy it was. All the sudden the neighborhood didn't even look like Mayfair anymore.
Pretty soon the sidewalk strips that weren't torn down like Frankford Ave and Cottman Ave had their businesses going under b/c people didn't leave their houses without cars and b/c the neighborhood started going downhill with all the kids congregating at these fast food places and bringing all their trash and shenanigans. People decided they wanted to leave when the plague spread form business to business, and the ones with money did.
Who's left is people who want to leave but can't afford it (low income long timers) and the Section 8 renters who took the newly empty housing. And business cater to them, so just picture the neighborhood now.
Giovanonne doesn't live in Rox and doesn't care about me, you or anyone here. Rox is at a crossroads. Tearing down something like the Bunting House for Wendy's would be the first nail in the coffin.
Ridge Runner
5:58 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Have you not seen the progress that has been made along Ridge Ave. in the last 5 years? I've lived here 15 years now and I am impressed with what they have recently accomplished. I think Wendy's would be s great addition since they are known to support the communities they are in. Get over it - the Bunting House is gone. Too little too late. First nail in the coffin? I don't think so - what about the 3 crappy businesses that were next to the Bunting House.
margaret seda
6:39 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
What on earth is wrong with Mayfair? Just come out and say it. You don't want anything that could possibly bring in blacks. You will protest ANYBODY. You would rather see anyone fail than have anybody attain the joy your life lacks. If it's a legitimate business, let em be.
Ryan
7:52 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Nice try, Margaret Seda. Our likely destination if a Wendy's goes in is Mt Airy, which is 66% black according to the last census. And if you don't know what's wrong with Mayfair then you haven't been there in about 10 years.
Debbie Thomas
11:27 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Ryan, you just described perfectly what happened to Wissinoming and is now crawling up towards Tacony and Mayfair. It's the main reason I decided to move, even they I did not really want to.
Tom
6:38 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013
I think the areas first Tim Horton's would be great!
Neil
11:47 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Oooh I could go for an Apple Fritter or some Tim Bits. I vote with Tom.
margaret seda
10:06 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
ryan what do you mean nice try? u cried for 5 sentences about section 8 and Mayfair and btw I was there last Thurs. They wanna put a fast food place on Ridge and all you have done is cry whine and attempt to insult anyone who doesn't feel the way you do. I can't understand what you mean about a Wendy's in Mount Airy it sounds like you stopped paying attention to what you're arguing and are now in torrent of hate and ignorance. If you don't like what they place there move. I can't argue with you on this due to the fact that you don't even read what you type.
Debbie Thomas
11:33 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Margaret, he is telling the truth about what is going on in Mayfair and Tacony. I've experienced living around Section 8 tenants. And why do you assume that Section 8ers are minorities? They're a diverse bunch and have one thing in common...once subsidized renters get into a neighborhood they're like a cancer. Also, violent crime follows and I am NOT talking about quality of life stuff like college kids puking on the sidewalk.
Ryan
1:15 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
OK I'll slow it down for those who are working with a little less cognitive capital.
If. the. Wendy's. goes. through,. Mt. Airy. is. one. of. the. neighborhoods. we. will. look. at. to. buy. a. house.
Roxborough is 89% white. Mt. Airy is 33% white.
And you're calling me racist for saying buying in Mt. Airy is smarter than buying in a Roxborough that tears down historically significant architecture for a Wendy's.
Your just aren't familiar with the dynamics of neighborhood migration. You aren't experienced with Philadelphia outside Rox/Manayunk and you don't know how neighborhoods deteriorate and regenerate. To you, it's just a Wendy's. And that's how you lose your neighborhoods so easily.
Ryan Gibbons
11:18 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Let's be clear, there's a Ryan and a Ryan Gibbons (me) on here... but I agree with other Ryan. I grew up in Mayfair for 15 years and yes, going back there to see what's happened to "the place to live in Philadelphia" is horrible. Fast food spots go in, followed by check cashing places, pawn shops and dollar stores. NONE of that speaks to a demographic or race, so lay off the prejudice comments Margaret. Kids loiter at fast food restaurants EVERY DAY after school. Not to mention, fast food leads to fast littering. We can go on and on, but there are a variety of reasons why people don't want a place like Wendy's to go in and NONE of them have to do with race or ethnicity. The Foodery just went in on Ridge Ave and look at their other locations... Northern Liberties and Old City... so yes, we want more places like The Foodery because look at how well those neighborhoods have thrived in the past few years. I want good/healthy restaurants, cafe's, shops and local owners setting up shop where I live because I want my property value to go up and I want my kids to live in an area that's safe. That's what a lot of this boils down to; I don't want sh*tty fast food spots popping up within walking distance to my house because it does NOTHING for the neighborhood.
margaret seda
2:50 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
I never called anyone racist i only pointed out that ryans main complaint and rant was against Section 8 and the degeneration of the neighborhood. But being a racist he jumped on that and not anything else I said. Mayfair is a great neighborhood fuul of thing s to do and I wish Roxborough could be like that. I had nothing as a teen and I want my kids to grow up with stores and shops and not have a ton of bars and pizza places in the way.The places the neighborhood has are not all in-clusive. we need a place that i can take my 76 yr old grandma and 2 year old son. wendy's and other relaxed fast food establishments will provide that. Its sad that ryan wants to go to such lengths to try and belittle me with his attempt to attack my lack of intelligence by using made up words and hurl insults just because he doesn't take the time to read what he already wrote. as for the rest here, why? why? try to bar someone from opening a legitimate business? YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO YOU. as for gibbons, we already have pawn shops and dollar stores so why not a fast food place? and please stop attempting to use the foodery as a good example they got 2 citations for serving minors so you have no argument there
RoxGuy
3:20 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
"I want my kids to grow up with stores and shops... we already have pawn shops and dollar stores so why not a fast food place"
Nothing but the best for junior, huh?
just me
1:24 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
I think Cohen should ask them to build a "generic" fast food place next door to his house.
margaret seda
2:51 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
i wish they'd put one in the lot behind my house but the church owns it :(
margaret seda
4:58 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
what everyone needs to understand is that SOMETHING is going to be erected there. personally attacking me on a public forum does not make any of you sound logical at all. I am simply a homeowner expressing my views. I find it funny because in the end not one of you will be happy with anything there where as I'm just glad that unsightly hazard of a house is gone.
RoxGuy
5:29 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
What you need to understand is that we don't need any more crappy food in this neighborhood; there's enough already - steaks, burgers, fries, 'za, chinese, chips, soda, on and on and on... You wanna feed your kid and grandma crap? Great, feed them crap. Between Roxborough and Manayunk there are plenty of places to get cheap greasy crap. Don't like the crap here? Then drive out to City Line or Plymouth or Norristown and get your crap there.
Ryan
2:20 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
The quicker the Margaret Sedas of Roxborough are priced out of their homes, the quicker they can be replaced with a more erudite citizenry that cares about the neighborhood.
We need to diversify the area with currently lacking amenities and gallant tastes befitting of the new Roxborough. More greasy spoons in an area already saturated with them is an indictment on the neighborhood's prospects, not to mention the tastes of those clamoring for them. It would be a regression from Roxborough to Anywheretown, USA, and this neighborhood deserves better.
Ryan
4:59 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
"I want my kids to grow up with stores and shops... we already have pawn shops and dollar stores so why not a fast food place"
-Margaret Seda, 03/06/2013
LOL I'll let the readers chew on that one for a while.
So Margaret, if Mayfair is so great (interesting claim b/c even people who actually sill live in Mayfair hate Mayfair), then maybe you should go live there? We're about to put our house up for sale. Newly renovated, easy parking (the whole other side of the block is a church), 3 bedroom, 1 bath, 1 car garage, big front deck, quiet except for the gunshots and fights a few blocks down. More fast food than even you can handle. It's going up for about $110,000. A similar house in Roxborough would go for close to $200,000. So sell yours for $200,000 or whatever it's worth, buy ours for $110,000, and do what you want with the rest. You wish Roxborough was like Mayfair, so why not sell and go live in Mayfair? They're both 8 miles from City Hall. Just imagine all the KFC gravy buckets and Big Macs you can eat, all for about half of what you're paying in Rox. What a deal, amirite or amirite? What's it gonna take for me to put you in that house today? Talk to your husband and get back to me.
Deena Coulter
11:34 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Ryan, I'd been following your argument and realized you state that you're selling your home in Mayfair? So, you don't live in Roxborough. Why complain? Do you not have a job or a hobby? If you do not live here you should not be on the ROXBOROUGH PATCH period. Leave the Bunting House to the ACTUAL RESIDENTS.
Debbie Thomas
9:40 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013
Margaret there really is something wrong with you if you think the Bunting House was unsightly. It was a beautiful Victorian house that gave Roxborough character. I guess you prefer the more modern looking new homes that are going up all over the area.
Duke
4:45 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Good clear video. It appears the speaker was addressing a packed standing room only audience.
Michelle G
7:10 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
I lived in the Bunting House, nothing about it was unsightly. It was a beautiful place to call home. When I first moved to Roxborough I dreamed of living there and eventually it came to pass. The owners at that time were less than honorable with their word but tried to put an effort into it. Once the Giavonnones got ahold if it the trouble really started. Repairs were promised and never happened, renovations were done to one apartment, just so they could tear it down? That makes no sense. When it came time for us to move out we were told the house would be totally rehabbed and rented again. All lies. As for the vacant lot, I feel a place to buy fresh produce and locally grown foods would benefit the area as we do not have that here. I hated to see the place I called home be torn to shreds but in the end I was powerless. I go by there almost every day and want to cry. My hope is the neighborhood does not take a turn for the worse whatever goes there.