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Poll: Do You Agree With the Voter ID Bill?

Nearly 9 percent of state voters lack the ID required to vote in the 2012 general election.

Roughly nine percent of people registered to vote in the state do not have a PennDOT ID number that will be required to vote in the fall general election, according to the a Pennsylvania Department of State comparison of voter registration rolls and PennDOT ID databases.

Do you agree with the Voter ID bill? Tell us in the comments below.

The database comparison provided by the Department of State shows that 91 percent of Pennsylvania's 8,232,928 registered voters have PennDOT ID numbers. Of the 758,939 voters who could not be matched between the Department of State and PennDOT databases, 22 percent, or 167,566, are inactive voters, most of whom have not voted since 2007.

Locally, here is the county-specific breakdown of voters without a PennDOT ID number in the Greater Philadelphia area:

County Voters Without ID Active Voters Inactive Voters Chester 17,928 22,475 4,547 Delaware 33,130 40,547 7,417 Montgomery 37,645 44,952 7,307 Philadelphia 136,182 186,830 50,648

Under HB 934, which voters need to present a state-issued photo ID to vote, except for specific circumstances, such as a religious objection to being photographed, in order to cast their vote.

The following forms of ID can be accepted as proof of identification:

  • Valid driver’s license
  • ID card distributed by any other state or federal agency
  • U.S. passport
  • Student identification or employee identification card
  • Armed forces ID

Voters could also present one of the following documents for review if a photo ID is not present:

  • Firearm permit
  • Current utility bill
  • Crrent bank statement
  • Paycheck
  • Government paycheck

Any voter not able to produce proof of ID may cast a provisional vote, which must be confirmed by the county board of elections within six days of the election.

Tony Campisi July 10, 2012 at 02:12 AM
750,000 Pennsylvanians, 10% of voters, according to a state analysis, may not have proper photo ID. That's how many voters could possibly be disenfranchised. Universal suffrage no more, thanks to Republicans who can't win unless they rig the system.
Frank Cook July 10, 2012 at 02:30 AM
Tony, Look, I don't have the time or interest in documenting more cases. If i documented 3 more, 300 more or 3,000 more you would still not be convinced. Who knows how many votes may decide a close election? Your mind is made up. Funny, but sad at the same time. I suspect that 99% of those who object to people showing evidence that they are who they say they are are Dems who simply object because they think that this will cost them votes, just as Birdfan said.
David Curran July 10, 2012 at 11:04 AM
Let's take away people's rights-- and make some money in the process! http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/pennsylvania_voter_id_chris_bravacos_bravo_group_romney_ad.php?m=1
John W. Goodspeed July 12, 2012 at 04:36 PM
This is past rationalization. The people in favor of the voter ID restrictions are trying to discourage some Democrats from voting. If they claim otherwise they're lying - period!
Adrian Seltzer July 20, 2012 at 06:31 AM
The info in the article is not accurate. Voters can not present other forms of ID. That was only for the primary. You need an ID that has an expiration date, issued by PA. PA employee ID doesn't have an expiration date. On all the acceptable IDs, a current address is not necessary allowing someone registered in more than 1 place to vote in more than 1 place. Businesses that have dead peasants insurance get information from social security admin on deaths so they can collect on the policies. Why can't voter registration depts get the same info so these dead people will not be on the rolls? this would prevent fraud. Training the poll workers better so they know what to do when someone comes in to vote that is not in the "book" would prevent prevent fraud. When someone registers to vote that is the time their citizenship should be questioned. This bill does not address any of this. Rep Turzai said why this bill was passed - to let Romney win PA.
I love fox news July 20, 2012 at 09:07 PM
Anyone who refuses to get an ID or show and ID to vote, get booze, get a library card, buy cigarettes, drivers license is usually some low life, illegal, commie or lazy bum who doesn't want to be a good citizen. Regardless if they are an American citizen or not they should be exported or jailed for messing up the system.
Magic666 July 20, 2012 at 09:47 PM
I am all for it. I can't understand why people are so upset about this. It protects all parties! The Dems are afraid of this because they think they will lose the state of PA?? Maybe they will lose with or without an ID. Talk about grasping at straws! What it will do is cut down on bogus write-in votes, or votes by deceased people...BOTH parties! You need ID for everything else, so what is the real issue here? Yup, you guessed it...they want Obama to win, but isn't it better to win an election on your own merits?
Adrian Seltzer July 20, 2012 at 10:48 PM
Obviously you have no concept of the world outside your limited perspective. Do you realize , oh I'm not even going to bother
Adrian Seltzer July 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM
The write in vote is the hardest to count, since the vote must be exactly as the person is registered. Anyone who tries to vote as a deceased person has to have the signature of that deceased person or the poll worker is required to check ID. I am sorry, but as the majority inspector of a ward, I actually know how this works and this law does nothing to stop voter fraud,since the required ID does not need a current address. There is so much misinformation it is ridiculous. I how you haven't been recently married and your name on the registration roll matches your ID. Oh wow someone who has ID that will not be allowed to vote, oops your name is misspelled, you will not be allowed to vote. And you say well that is an obvious mistake, of course I would know it is a mistake, but if I let you vote, I could be fined $10,000 and spend a year in jail. You just have no idea about the coup that happened why you weren't looking.
freeandequalpa July 20, 2012 at 11:26 PM
The Commonwealth admitted in writing that there is no evidence of in-person voter impersonation fraud, which is the only type of fraud that possibly could be prevented by the photo ID law (http://pilcop.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Exhibit-3-Applewhite-Stipulation-copy.pdf). So why are are legislators wasting millions of our tax dollars on the law?
Kathleen Shaver July 20, 2012 at 11:51 PM
DSR, who commented: "Anyone who refuses to get an ID or show an ID to vote.." seems a little confused-- the issue is not that people refuse to get the Valid Photo ID stipulated by the law or that they will refuse to show it, the issue is that the documentation required to obtain the ID is just not easily available to a percentage of otherwise legally registered voters. And as far as I know, there is no law that says that one citizen can judge whether or not another citizen is "good enough" to vote. Magic666's comment: "You need ID for everything else, so what is the real issue here? Yup, you guessed it...they want Obama to win, but isn't it better to win an election on your own merits?" makes no sense really. My BJ's card and my library card are ID, but not even my voter registration card will be adequate at the polls as a result of this new law. AN ELECTION IS FAIR ONLY IF ALL REGISTERED VOTERS ARE ABLE TO CAST THEIR BALLOT. "Merit" doesn't have anything to do with it. The legislators who crafted this law and voted it in place have lost all sense of "merit" in my opinion; they have not only wasted my tax dollars but have attempted to disenfranchise poor and elderly voters.
Magic666 July 21, 2012 at 12:22 AM
I really am getting tired of hearing how the poor and elderly will suffer. Elderly people need ID to receive their SS checks, or ID to ride SEPTA. The poor? How is it difficult for them to get to a driver's license center to get an ID, non-driver or otherwise? If they don't drive, I'm sure they can take a bus or have a friend drive them. And if they're very poor, they are probably on some form of Government assistance, which would have required ID before they could collect. And then there are those who don't vote at all, but have decided to make it an issue anyway just for the sake of complaining. Sorry, but if they can't get an ID because they don't know how to get there to get one, maybe they shouldn't be voting. Period!
Jim Salvas July 21, 2012 at 12:53 AM
The amount of misinformation on this issue is incredible. No, the elderly do not need a photo ID to collect Social Security. At some point they had to present a Social Security number and a birth certificate, but after that they can simply have their checks direct deposited. And, no, it is often not easy at all to get to a DMV for a photo ID by public transportation. I've checked and a round trip to my nearest DMV office would require 4 bus rides, two walks and up to four hours. Plus, on most days, I would have to get there before 4:15. And, no, the poor on assistance do not need the sort of photo ID this law requires. So, now that you know your facts are wrong, are you willing to reevaluate your opinion?
Magic666 July 21, 2012 at 02:25 AM
David, I've had to provide photo ID Everytime I've voted for the past 11 years. I never questioned it, so why do a few?
Magic666 July 21, 2012 at 02:37 AM
Jim. you still had to have an ID to open that bank account. Once you get ID and jse kt l ce or twice, you dont just throw it away. Please, spare me your drama about how many buses you would have to take. Surely you and everyone else has a friend, relative, or neighbor who could spare an hour to take you ONCE to get you to a PENNDOT place for ID. I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill here. I've had to present photo ID every time I've voted for the past 11 years (when I moved to my current location). It was no big deal, and I sure as hell. ever griped about it or even questioned it. Laws are enacted all the time. Adjust to them!
Magic666 July 21, 2012 at 02:38 AM
*Once you get ID and use it once or twice...."
freeandequalpa July 21, 2012 at 03:41 AM
"When they go to vote, our signatures are already there." The signature of EVERY voter is already in the poll book so that, when the voter signs in to vote on election day, the poll workers can compare the voters' live signatures to the authorized signatures. If you are saying that someone already had signed in for your deceased relatives when your parents arrived (i.e., that there were 2 signatures for them in the book), then my next question is: To what authority did you or your parents report this crime and what was their response? Also, since you no doubt would want to get to the bottom of these disturbing allegations, I assume you filed a request to see the page of the poll book where someone signed in for your deceased relatives? What did it show? As for your friend from Boston, you are suggesting that the poll workers committed a crime by allowing a non-registered voter to vote. How would a law that requires voters to show photo ID at the polls have prevented that crime? If the poll workers are going to ignore the law prohibiting voters who are not in the book from voting, what makes you think they are going to enforce the photo ID law?
David Curran July 21, 2012 at 09:41 AM
Jim and Earnest, I appreciate your attempts at educating advocates of the photo ID law like magic. But no amount of logic, data or tangible examples will ever convince someone who obviously has not spent the time to understand the ramifications of this legislation. The Republicans are betting on the ignorance of their supporters to defend this measure. When was the last time any elected pol (Kampf,. Gerlach, etc) has come out and defended this law. The whole affair really proves to me just how fragile democracy truly is.
David Curran July 21, 2012 at 09:55 AM
Would Rep Kampf or a representative from his office kindly like to defend these voter suppression laws? I would also like to know how well administering this legislation is holding up to budget estimates to date. I see PA is scrambling to create a new photo ID because of the difficulties with people attaining some of the required documentation. Was this a part of the original legislation, and how much is this going to cost above original projections? As our Rep. you have an obligation to justify your vote on this election. BTW Rep Kampf is having Town Hall meeting in Phoenixville at the end of the month. Perhaps that would be good time to get some answers and justifications.
David Curran July 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM
View this email with images. On Facebook Website Bio Latest News State Forms Photo Gallery Contact Legislative Update  Friday, July 20, 2012  The latest news from the State Capitol You’re Invited to My Town Hall Meeting It’s important that we keep the lines of communication open. That’s why I’m inviting you to a Town Hall meeting. It will take place on Monday, July 30, 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m., at the Phoenixville Area High School Auditorium, 1200 Gay St. in Phoenixville. It would be great if all concerned could make this meeting. DC
David Curran July 21, 2012 at 10:30 AM
Sorry for the shoddy job cutting and pasting from an e-mail but the above post is the info for Kampf's Phoenixville Townhall
freeandequalpa July 21, 2012 at 03:46 PM
For anyone interested, I have posted links to and some analysis of the pretrial briefs filed this past Wednesday in advance of next week's hearing on the request to enjoin the Photo ID Law here: http://freeandequalpa.wordpress.com/2012/07/21/the-parties-pretrial-briefs/
Adrian Seltzer July 24, 2012 at 06:29 PM
Pa admits there is no in person voter fraud . http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/pennsylvania_voter_id_no_in_person_voter_fraud.php?ref=fpa
I Lived Here for 25 Years & Finally Moved Out August 17, 2012 at 08:03 PM
Fraud?? Government?? They go together like peanut butter & jelly! Can you think of an area of Government that hasn't been subject to fraud? If so, name it. Medicare spends $70 BILLION PER YEAR in fraudulent payments....and that's according to the Federal Government and the Obama administration. If it has anything to do with the Government then an ID should be absolutely necessary....
Magic666 August 17, 2012 at 08:21 PM
Everyone needs to watch this. Just shows how easy it is to vote as other folks.       From: camera in MINNESOTA voting office- Voter Fraud is Legal                  THIS IS INTERESTING ---- WE CHECK ON VOTER FRAUD IN OTHER COUNTRIES,                                                      BUT IN THE U.S.A.VOTER FRAUD IS LEGAL AND  FACILITATED !                                                     JUST LIKE OUR ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS....                               THIS IS WORST THAN A CORRUPT, THIRD-WORLD COUNTRY......                       This is why the Just-Us Department, under Eric Holder, will do everything to stop voter ID. If you are unaware, Eric Holder is attempting to stop Florida from purging a few hundred thousand illegal, dead, and felons from the voter rolls.  They are dead - they can't vote!! They are not citizens -they can't vote!! They need to be purged from the voting rolls - but NO!!Florida is using information supplied by the Department of Homeland Security (aka, America’s KGB) to ascertain who should or should not be on the rolls yet Holder is attempting to stop them. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GqMVxeZhflI&feature=player_embedded           
Adrian Seltzer August 17, 2012 at 08:22 PM
Information in this article is incorrect as to what you can use for ID in November. Please reply to this post if you have any questions. I am a majority inspector in LM
Adrian Seltzer August 17, 2012 at 08:37 PM
I agree, you should need ID to register to vote, but this law does not address that, so your big revelation is not one. BTW, Pa voter registration does not require ID.
Taylor August 17, 2012 at 09:28 PM
David brings up a good point here... if the powers that be have decided that voter fraud is rampant enough in PA to enact an ID requirement, then something MUST be done to ensure absentee ballots are not part of the problem. If we're going to take an ethical stand, we should do the job completely.
Adrian Seltzer August 18, 2012 at 02:00 PM
Pa just suspended some voter online services due to being too busy to be able to do IDs and that. Oops, guess the judge was wrong to have confidence Pa could do it all.
Adrian Seltzer August 18, 2012 at 02:02 PM
We really need to bring civics back to school curriculum.

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