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Poll: What Do You Think of Obamacare Decision?

Pennsylvania’s U.S. Senators release reactions to the ruling.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Affordable Care Act, known colloquially as "Obamacare," upholding the constitutionality of the act in a ruling Thursday morning, according to a report from the Supreme Court website.

Pennsylvania’s U.S. Senators released reactions to the ruling.

Sen. Pat Toomey (R): “I am extremely disappointed. Today’s decision is a jarring blow to our 200-year-old tradition of constitutionally limited government and personal liberty,” Toomey said. “ The Supreme Court’s decision doesn’t change the fact that President Obama’s health care law is a terrible policy that will impose new taxes, increase the cost of health care and cost our country jobs. It is now up to Congress to repeal Obamacare and enact common-sense reforms that will expand access to affordable, quality health care.”

Sen. Bob Casey (D): “The fact that this law was upheld means that Pennsylvanians will not lose their coverage due to preexisting conditions, young adults will be allowed coverage under a parent’s plan and older Americans will not have to face dramatic increases in prescription drug costs.  I will continue to work with other senators to make improvements to the legislation.  Further, there is no doubt that we still confront significant challenges to reducing the cost of healthcare and the only way to address these in the long-run is for Democrats and Republicans to work together.”

What do you think of Obamacare? Tell us in the comments?

Signed into law by President Barack Obama in March 2010. the act aims to, among other things, "... reduce premium costs for working families ... by capping out-of-pocket expenses and requiring preventive care to be fully covered without any out-of-pocket expense." The full text of the act can be viewed here.

Locally Involved July 6, 2012 at 01:20 pm
@The Pres....(commenter above)
LOL! Thank you for proving once again, stupid is to the bone. Sadly, I do not believe there is any cure for stupid. You're born that way. God loves you anyway, someone has to. :-D
Tony July 6, 2012 at 01:24 pm
@The Pres...once again you are 100% INCORRECT. Watch the video of Bush here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8&feature=related That is fact!. Bush pushed owning a home to people who can not afford it and making it easier to get loans. that is fact
Tony July 6, 2012 at 01:25 pm
@ The Pres... I knew the facts presented by Locally Involved would make you dumbfounded
Harry July 6, 2012 at 01:29 pm
Czar Obama is on his bus tour! Making more promises to his sheep. Leads his sheep to the cool aid stand, to make sure they continue to tow the communist line. I'm sure Obama is making Stalin proud on this day.
Harry July 6, 2012 at 01:36 pm
Carol and Tony,
I agree with both of you. We should NOT be sending money to other countries, in fact if we stopped all foreign aid, image how much money would be saved each year. However it does not change the fact that government has no business telling me or you that we must have healthcare! What is next, where does this government intrusion end??? It is exactly that, intrusion. I resent it, and unlike most posting here, if it was done by a "Republican" I would feel the same way. This is not about parties, this is about right and wrong, and this "tax" is all about control.
Sugaree July 6, 2012 at 01:37 pm
@ Locally Involved - poor "pres.", I must have touched a nerve. That just made my day :)
Let's all ignore he/she/it now; maybe he/she/it will head on over to FoxNation to be among his own kind.
Locally Involved July 6, 2012 at 01:48 pm
@Sugaree - Be sure to "Flag as inappropriate". I'm all for a rational, logical discussion, however, when comments degrade to offensive positioning and language, I believe it's time to call it out.
Locally Involved July 6, 2012 at 01:53 pm
For all - Some great links on how it all began re: housing crises. Having worked for 3 of the top 20 banks, we made a lot of money. Sr. Management knew what they were doing and we're just feeding the shareholders what the shareholders wanted - Profit at any cost. Why do you think they finally put in 2005-2006 the law that made it harder to declare consumer bankruptcy while making it even easier to make loans!
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/homeownership/archive.html Quick summary if you don't have the time: Archives start 2001 Expanding the Dream: Innovative Financing Measures to Promote Homeownership •A Single-Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit will encourage the production of single-family homes for sale in areas where affordable homeownership opportunities are scarce. •The American Dream Downpayment Fund will help Americans overcome one of the greatest hurdles to homeownership: high downpayments that can put a home out of reach. •A tripling of funding for the Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity Program, which helps community-based social service providers turn low-income families into homeowners by relying on "sweat equity" in return for assistance. My favorites read is when GWB authorizes Fannie and Freddie to use American Taxpayer money to make subprime loans. Pays to read what's up on the .gov sites.
Locally Involved July 6, 2012 at 02:04 pm
Back to Healthcare - why every administration has attempted to do something about it for over 50 years. A few facts about our healthcare in America:
1. 39th in infant mortality 2. 43rd in female mortaility 3. 42nd in male mortality 4. 36th in life expectancy 5. 1st in healthcare spending Of course, like all things, these rankings are NOT solely due to access, but also our eating habits and (lack of) exercise habits. However, if national healthcare in other countries are so awful, one has to ask why do our outcomes rank so low? The ACA is just a first step, many changes are to come as it did with social security and other national programs. One things is clear, the bottom 20 companies nationally in customer service and satisfaction are telecom and healthcare. Interestingly, 2 industries that are in effect duopolies - no choice, no competition (Comcast ranks 169th out of 175 US companies, anyone surprised?). These bottom 20 exist only to serve their shareholders. Is anyone truly happy with their cost of healthcare or cable service? No, that's why they rank so low! If the only thing the ACA does is create competition in healthcare insurance therefore drive down cost of insurance, then good.
Locally Involved July 6, 2012 at 02:14 pm
@kenyan whatever
"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine. "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire.
James Kephart Jr. July 6, 2012 at 04:48 pm
Yeah Jo - Right wing has their idiots and you guys have yours and MSNBC! Funny thing is, FOX does not even come close to the blather seen on MSNBC. I will give you a comparison of MSNBC to Right wing talk radio, but every liberal I have ever convinced to actually watch both FOX and MSNBC from 5pm till 11pm ends up saying the exact same thing - FOX has a lot of stories that have no political tone whatsoever during that time span. MSNBC is a straight commercial for Democrats. No comparison! Fox leans right and has a couple of Right Wingers on it. MSNBC is pure liberalism - even their commercial s for their shows just bash conservatism.
Kevin K July 6, 2012 at 09:07 pm
apparently "flag as inappropriate" doesn't have any effect, so i've sent an email to the editor asking them to review the postings of "The Pres is a Kenyan Muslim," and pointing out several comments that are only racist and hurtful and add nothing to the discussion... everyone has a right to an opinion, and there are plenty of helpful comments from both sides of the political spectrum, but hatred and nastiness only detract from any logical discussion and, imho, have no place in a public forum where people are trying to exchange ideas...
i would encourage everyone who values thoughtful discourse to send a comment to the editors about this poser, so that these forums can get back to intelligent discussion...
Locally Involved July 6, 2012 at 11:06 pm
@Kevin - thank you! I'm not sure how AOL/Patch properties determines inappropriate, but it seems Mr. Kenyan muslim's posts are absolutely inappropriate. Responding to anything Mr. kenyan muslim says is like getting into a back and forth with a five year old who's only response seems to be 'stupid-head!'! LOL. Too bad he can't be simply sent to his room....
Have a great evening.
David Curran July 6, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Absolutely.
David Curran July 6, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Absolutely(squared)!
Jo M July 6, 2012 at 11:56 pm
I agree! We should just ignore this nut and move on, and a civilized, adult discussion will take place. What he has to say is irrelevant and immature. We are all entitled to our opinions and must respect opinions different from ours. You can't when you have to deal with childish behavior and name calling. Ignore him..he is irrelevant.
David Powell (Editor) July 7, 2012 at 12:37 am
I've reviewed many (not all) of the comments left by "The Pres is a Kenyan Muslim." I think his name and much of what he/she says is ridiculous, but none of it, in my opinion, quite rises to the level of violating Patch's Terms of Use. If there's a particular comment I may be missing, please let me know.
I think Jo M, just above me in this thread, offers good advice.
Teresa July 7, 2012 at 02:25 am
@Kenyan...it doesn't matter what you say, your "pen name' is enough to piss off all liberals. So you are screwed AND labeled a "racist" before you post anything.
Comment to the person that called me a "racist" ...again, I never posted anything racist, nor have I deleted any of my posts. Think what you want, I don't play silly games with name callers on "the patch" Now, as far as government run health care goes... You are all so silly, such fools, you keep pointing fingers at each other wagging them as you call each other names. When will all of you see that both parties are guilty and both parties DO NOT have your interest at mind. Do you really think this is about "covering the uninsured"? LMAO!!!!!!! How gullible you all are! EVERYTHING is about money. That's all. I presume you will all start calling me names again and vehemently disagree with me, correct? Alright, well, I've posted other questions in these "comments" that have gone unanswered because it was easier to call me names than it was to answer the question. Let's see how many of you can actually answer these questions, stay on topic and not personally attack me. Why is the Chicken Pox Vaccine Mandatory for Children? Why are we having a Shingles epidemic? If you know the answers to these 2 questions, you will then know what to expect from Government run healthcare. Good Luck!
Locally Involved July 7, 2012 at 02:56 am
Hi Theresa - just to clarify, I could care less about the guy's pen name. I considered the content of his comments. He called me "retard", using phrases like "lying Indonesian presidents named 'hussein'" (which means our CIA, NSA, Armed forces, special forcs, FBI - all fooled, all failed in identifyng this manchurian candidate - which is just ludicrous) as well as "muslim, america-hating leader " both are name calling the president of our country.
There are at least 2 posts made by the poster referring to those he disagreed with lesbians and another where he used obviously racial language to mock those he disagreed with. Obviously, you would not have seen those posts. If you need proof, I can always go to my deleted emails and send them to you personally. The only real name caller and the only one with the inflammatory remarks was the poster. And, may I remind you, in your post above, you call "fools" those who disagree with you. PS: chicken pox is highly contagious and results in death for many children. If not for vaccinations, there would be an epidemic. As for shingles, especially among the 55+ is a deblitating and painful condition. If someone has had chicken pox, they have a very high likelihood of getting the condition. For the senior community, shingles is a very real problem. just thought you would like to know. Have a good night.
Teresa July 7, 2012 at 03:17 am
Oh, and "locally involved" you left out a few numbers....
VAERS list over 300 deaths per year from just 4 vaccines, bearing in mind only 1-5% of vaccine reactions are reported (source: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/deaths.html) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.(source: U.S. Dept of Health Human Services) An estimated 80,000 patients per year develop catheter-related bloodstream infections, About 30,000 patients die as a result (Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) About 1 of every 20 patients gets an infection while hospitalized and up to 98,000 Americans die from these each year. That makes infections the most common complication in hospital care and one of the nation's top 10 causes of death. (Source: http://www.amsa.org/AMSA/Libraries/Initiative_Docs/To_err_is_human_executive_summary.sflb.ashx) Cancer death rates have gone up 6% since 1971. (Source: http://www.american-longevity.com/wallachinterview.html) The average American lives to be 75.5 years, and, depending on whose research you look at, doctors live to be somewhere between 58 and 70. (Source: http://www.american-longevity.com/wallachinterview.html) And my final statistic comes in the form of a graph which can be viewed here. It seems to me that the Insurance Industry does not need reform...the GOVERNMENT DOES! http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/chart-graph/outlays-beneficiaries-medicare-vs-private-insurance
Eve July 7, 2012 at 03:22 am
FYI...All deleted posts can be seen on posters profile page. Just click on "Comments" on the left side of the page. Shocking! This guy clearly suffers from some form of dementia. At 85, I would like to believe he is a dying breed.
Locally Involved July 7, 2012 at 03:28 am
Why would I address any of those numbers when I simply was addressing your comments that kenyan poster was a name caller and at the end of your post you simply posed two questions re: chicken pox and shingles?
And, what does any of those stats have anything to do with the Affordable Care Act or reasonable dialogue of that topic? I would suggest addressing your above comments with the World Health Organization, the NIH or a medical conference (I do know that the topics you bring up above are of great concern in the medical community). Time for bed.
Locally Involved July 7, 2012 at 03:31 am
@Eve - you're right! I totally forgot about the posters profile page. One could only hope that the poster is a dying breed. :-)
Teresa July 7, 2012 at 03:38 am
Get with the program my "statistics" were in response to your earlier post....THIS ONE...."Back to Healthcare - why every administration has attempted to do something about it for over 50 years. A few facts about our healthcare in America" That's why I said "you left out a few numbers". Yep, I think it's past your bedtime.
Teresa July 7, 2012 at 03:52 am
Okay, now back to my "questions". Thank you Locally Involved for taking a stab at them. Your answers are the answers I expected.
You answered question number 1: "chicken pox is highly contagious and results in death for many children. If not for vaccinations, there would be an epidemic THE TRUTH: Before the live virus chickenpox vaccine was licensed in the United States in 1995, most children acquired a natural, long-lasting immunity to chickenpox by age six. For 99.9 percent of healthy children, chickenpox is a mild disease without complications. It is estimated there were about 3.7 million cases of chickenpox annually in the U.S. before 1995, resulting in an average of 100 deaths (50 children and 50 adults, most of whom were immunocompromised). This hardly represents a dire, life-threatening epidemic that requires mass vaccination of all children! You answered question #2: "As for shingles, especially among the 55+ is a deblitating and painful condition. If someone has had chicken pox, they have a very high likelihood of getting the condition. For the senior community, shingles is a very real problem" THE TRUTH: Chickenpox is Nature's Way of Protecting You from Shingles (continued below)
Teresa July 7, 2012 at 03:59 am
After contracting and recovering from chickenpox, as you age, your natural immunity gets "boosted" by coming into contact with infected children, who are recovering from chickenpox. This natural "boosting" of natural immunity to the varicella virus helps protect you from getting shingles later in life.
In other words, shingles can be prevented by ordinary contact, such as receiving a hug from a grandchild who is getting or recovering from the chickenpox. But with the advent of the chickenpox vaccine, there is less chickenpox around to provide that natural immune boost for children AND adults. So as chickenpox rates have declined, shingles rates have begun to rise, and there is mounting evidence that an epidemic of shingles is developing in America from the mass, mandatory use of the chickenpox vaccine by all children. Epidemiologists from the CDC are hoping “any possible shingles epidemic associated with the chickenpox VACCINE can be offset by treating adults with a ‘shingles’ VACCINE.” “Using a shingles vaccine to control shingles epidemics in adults would likely fail because adult vaccination programs have rarely proved successful,” said Goldman. (Thanks to the mandatory Chicken Pox Vaccine) “There appears to be no way to avoid a mass epidemic of shingles lasting as long as several generations among adults.”
Teresa July 7, 2012 at 04:07 am
So let me wrap this all up for you in one tidy little package. The government is in bed with big pharma. They decided to make a chicken pox vaccine MANDATORY so Merck could profit. A mild disease where 99.9 percent of children recover with no complications. Because of this vaccine we now have a "shingles" epidemic. OH, low and behold, now big pharma gets to profit from yet another vaccine!!! Thank you CDC! Meanwhile children who received the chicken pox vaccine are now contracting.......wait for it....wait for it.....CHICKEN POX AND SHINGLES!!!!!! Yes, this is what you can expect from your government. They don't care about YOU! They care about MONEY! That's $$$$$$$$$$ for those of you that are having trouble understanding. Here are the links to my information. Be sure to read the terror stories listed in the comments section. http://harmonyhealth.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/chicken-pox-vaccine-causes-a-dangerous-rise-in-number-of-shingles-cases/
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/02/chicken-pox-vaccine-creates-shingles-epidemic.aspx And then have a great time looking at this chart. Again, showing that OUR GOVERNMENT is in need of reform, not health insurance companies! http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/chart-graph/outlays-beneficiaries-medicare-vs-private-insurance
Daniel Pipes July 7, 2012 at 10:12 am
Rosemary B... Funny how this court takes away our Personal Choice and one of the best healthcare plans in the area is BlueCross Personal Choice. lol. Everyone better get their wallets out. HOW CAN A POOR OR UNEMPLOYED PERSON PAY A (FINE) TAX FOR NOT HAVING HEALTHCARE WHEN THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Middle class screwed again. Thanks O BLAME O.
Locally Involved July 7, 2012 at 05:32 pm
Just received in this article today and thought I'd share.
3 Health-Care Misconceptions That Never Die http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/07/06/3-health-care-misconceptions-that-never-die-.aspx
Jenna Reese July 8, 2012 at 12:52 am
This is your future http://thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm

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